Qwen
Training Qwen3.8-27B on B200
Ranked by tokens/s per GPU · 8,192-token SFT rows · global batch 128 · BF16
Notes for Qwen3.8-27B
MODEL_ARGS are slime's scripts/models/qwen3.5-27B.sh: Qwen3.8-27B has the Qwen3.5-27B architecture. Its tokenizer adds 7 special tokens and a default system prompt, so it trains on its own rows (data/README.md).
The steps every recipe shares: Running a recipe.
Recipes
#1attune-tp1-pp4-split17-rb144,011.4 tokens/s/GPUTP1 PP4 DP217/17/17/13 layer split, block recompute of 14 layers, no offload
- Starting point: slime's Qwen3.5-27B script,
scripts/run-qwen3.5-27B.shwithscripts/models/qwen3.5-27B.shat slime 0.3.0. slime ships it as a 4-node GRPO script and publishes no tokens/s figure for it. Ported to this workload on one 8-GPU node with its layout (TP 4 with sequence parallel, PP 2 with 34/30 layers, CP 1 in place of its CP 4, full recompute, Adam on the CPU), it measured 1,411.1 tokens/s/GPU on 8 B200; ATTUNE tuned it to 4,011.4 (+184%). - Recompute stays on: the tuning runs without it ran out of memory on the first stage at TP 4 and TP 2 with PP 2 (162.7 and 165.8 GiB allocated of 178 GiB).
- B200 runs of this model need
patches/fla_blackwell_guard.py: with the image's Triton 3.6, FLA 0.4.1's autotuner picks gated-delta-net kernel configs that race on Blackwell and give a different, wrong result on every call, and the patch keeps those kernels on the configs FLA main uses there. Every training process imports it before FLA (patches/README.md) and prints a[fla-guard]line.
- Author
- ATTUNE (cite)
- GPUs
- 8 x B200 180 GB (AWS p6-b200.48xlarge, 8 per node)
- Layout
- TP 1, PP 4 (17/17/17/13 layers), CP 1, DP 2; one 8,192-token row per microbatch; full recompute of the first 14 layers of each stage (block); precision-aware distributed optimizer; no offload; dense model, no experts
- Tokens/s per GPU
- 4,011.42
- $ / 1M tokens
- $0.99
- MFU
- 27.4% (N = 25,623,920,640 active parameters per token)
- Step-time CV
- 0.09%
- Convergence check
- correlation 0.9999988, final loss difference 0.00014, 0 pointwise failures over 20 steps
- Component test
- precision-aware Adam on the GPU and CPU optimizer offload (fraction 1.0, overlapped copies), each against an FP64 reference: B200, 2026-10-14. Shape: one Qwen3.5-397B-A17B MoE layer: hidden 4096, 512 experts, top-10, expert FFN 1024, EP 8, ETP 1, 4,096 tokens per rank. worst tensor (update) relative L2 error 5.12e-7 on the GPU and 7.99e-7 offloaded against a bound of 1.0e-3 after one step, and 4.99e-5 and 7.73e-5 against 1.1e-3 after three steps at the recipe's hyperparameters (bound 2 x the default GPU optimizer's error + 1e-3); reconstructed FP32 masters bitwise identical to an arm with explicit FP32 masters, the TE remainder self-test passes and the negative controls fail run on B200 on this recipe's training image; the optimizer step is elementwise, so the result holds for every model on the image
- Measured
- 2026-10-18
- GPU-hours
- 2.59
- Rows
qwen38-tulu3-fixed8192-v1(rows_sha256ee1486b28ce21df721ad61c2d3765c64a29eed0eb5680ede005bd6a321dc1a1e)
Stack
- framework
- slime 0.3.0: THUDM/slime a897e1f plus 8 commits that do not change the training step
- megatron lm
- commit 1dcf0daf (megatron-core 0.16.0rc0), with a backported upstream fix for the Qwen3.5 attention output gate at TP above the query-group count
- transformer engine
- 2.10.0
- pytorch
- 2.11.0 (CUDA 12.9 build)
- cuda
- 12.9
- nccl
- 2.28.9 (CUDA 12.9 build; printed by the measured run)
- deepep
- 1.2.1
- python
- 3.12.3
- fla
- 0.4.1 (flash-linear-attention)
- triton
- 3.6.0
- network
- 8 GPUs per node, EFA, 3.2 Tb/s RDMA per node
- runtime fixes
- patches/fla_blackwell_guard.py, imported in every training process before FLA
Environment
CUDA_DEVICE_MAX_CONNECTIONS=1PYTORCH_CUDA_ALLOC_CONF=expandable_segments:TrueTORCHINDUCTOR_COMPILE_THREADS=1NCCL_NVLS_ENABLE=$([ "$NVLINK_COUNT" -gt 0 ] && echo 1 || echo 0)
Patches
export CUDA_DEVICE_MAX_CONNECTIONS=1
export PYTORCH_CUDA_ALLOC_CONF=expandable_segments:True
export TORCHINDUCTOR_COMPILE_THREADS=1
export NCCL_NVLS_ENABLE=$([ "$NVLINK_COUNT" -gt 0 ] && echo 1 || echo 0)
python3 -m <slime entry module> --async \
--actor-num-nodes 1 \
--actor-num-gpus-per-node 8 \
${MODEL_ARGS[@]} \
--hf-checkpoint "$HF_CKPT" \
--ref-load "$TORCH_DIST" \
--rollout-function-path pretokenized_sft_rollout.generate_rollout \
--prompt-data "$SFT_DATA" \
--input-key messages \
--metadata-key metadata \
--num-rollout 20 \
--rollout-batch-size 128 \
--global-batch-size 128 \
--loss-type sft_loss \
--loss-mask-type qwen3_5 \
--calculate-per-token-loss \
--disable-compute-advantages-and-returns \
--debug-train-only \
--tensor-model-parallel-size 1 \
--pipeline-model-parallel-size 4 \
--decoder-first-pipeline-num-layers 17 \
--decoder-last-pipeline-num-layers 13 \
--context-parallel-size 1 \
--expert-model-parallel-size 1 \
--expert-tensor-parallel-size 1 \
--sequence-parallel \
--recompute-granularity full \
--recompute-method block \
--recompute-num-layers 14 \
--use-dynamic-batch-size \
--max-tokens-per-gpu 8192 \
--optimizer adam --lr 1e-5 --lr-decay-style cosine --min-lr 1e-6 \
--lr-warmup-fraction 0.1 --weight-decay 0.1 --adam-beta1 0.9 --adam-beta2 0.98 \
--use-distributed-optimizer \
--use-precision-aware-optimizer \
--attention-dropout 0.0 --hidden-dropout 0.0 \
--accumulate-allreduce-grads-in-fp32 --attention-softmax-in-fp32 \
--attention-backend flash \
--distributed-timeout-minutes 30 \
--tensorboard-dir "$PROFILE_DIR"
# recipes/qwen3.8-27b/b200/attune-tp1-pp4-split17-rb14.yaml
# An OpenRecipes recipe; the fields are documented in schema/recipe.schema.yaml.
schema_version: 1
model: Qwen3.8-27B
gpu:
type: B200
memory_gb: 180
count: 8
per_node: 8
instance: AWS p6-b200.48xlarge
author:
name: ATTUNE
url: https://arxiv.org/abs/2610.17528
status: verified
stack:
framework: 'slime 0.3.0: THUDM/slime a897e1f plus 8 commits that do not change the training step'
megatron_lm: commit 1dcf0daf (megatron-core 0.16.0rc0), with a backported upstream fix for the Qwen3.5 attention output
gate at TP above the query-group count
transformer_engine: 2.10.0
pytorch: 2.11.0 (CUDA 12.9 build)
cuda: '12.9'
nccl: 2.28.9 (CUDA 12.9 build; printed by the measured run)
deepep: 1.2.1
python: 3.12.3
fla: 0.4.1 (flash-linear-attention)
triton: 3.6.0
network: 8 GPUs per node, EFA, 3.2 Tb/s RDMA per node
runtime_fixes: patches/fla_blackwell_guard.py, imported in every training process before FLA
source: 'in-pod version check of the measured run''s training image (same digest) on 2026-10-18: installed TE,
PyTorch, DeepEP, megatron-core, FLA and Triton, Megatron-LM git commit, Python; NCCL from the measured run''s log'
workload:
row_tokens: 8192
rows: SFT conversations
global_batch: 128
precision: bf16
dataset:
name: Tulu 3 SFT mixture
source: allenai/tulu-3-sft-mixture
revision: b14afda60f1bbebe55d5d2fa1e4df5042f97f8be
license: ODC-By 1.0
rows_sha256: ee1486b28ce21df721ad61c2d3765c64a29eed0eb5680ede005bd6a321dc1a1e
build:
name: qwen38-tulu3-fixed8192-v1
tokenizer: Qwen3.8 (the Qwen3.8-27B tokenizer; tokenizer.json sha256 0997f410c57a1f4e53b09e4be8f4a172d90edd9564368fb0847030937229b9f3)
loss_mask: qwen3_5
rows: 6400
row_tokens: 8192
padding_tokens: 0
seed: 42
packing: source conversations in a seeded global permutation, concatenated with an EOS token between them and cut
into consecutive 8,192-token rows; rows without supervised targets are skipped
supervised_token_ratio: 0.642
parquet_sha256: a7b7b4db98e95152604a77bcf09b51502d2266ba04de98409cef6b97afd039c8
parquet_bytes: 76722714
builder: data/generate_fixed_sft.py (data/README.md)
layout:
label: TP1 PP4 DP2
summary: TP 1, PP 4 (17/17/17/13 layers), CP 1, DP 2; one 8,192-token row per microbatch; full recompute of the first
14 layers of each stage (block); precision-aware distributed optimizer; no offload; dense model, no experts
highlights: 17/17/17/13 layer split, block recompute of 14 layers, no offload
tp: 1
pp: 4
vpp: 1
cp: 1
ep: 1
etp: 1
dp: 2
sequence_parallel: false
layer_split:
first: 17
last: 13
max_tokens_per_gpu: 8192
rows_per_microbatch: 1
recompute:
granularity: full
method: block
num_layers: 14
offload: null
dispatcher: null
result:
tokens_per_s_per_gpu: 4011.42
usd_per_million_tokens: 0.99
step_time_cv_percent: 0.09
mfu: 0.2741
mfu_note: null
active_params:
count: 25623920640
source: https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.8-27B
revision: 1d4bf0f2ff6012fd82039f2fa52739d0dd7c60c0
measured: 2026-10-18
steps_per_run: 20
window:
- 5
- 19
window_tokens: 15728640
runs: 1
profiler: false
gpu_hours: 2.59
gpu_hours_note: GPUs x (scheduler admission to finish), including startup; the same run is the candidate arm of the
convergence check
correctness:
result: pass
summary: passed; 1 component test passed on this image
reference: 'The layout of slime''s `scripts/run-qwen3.5-27B.sh` on one 8-GPU node: TP 4 with sequence parallelism, PP
2 (first stage 34 layers, last 30), CP 1 in place of its CP 4, full recompute and CPU optimizer offload, with this
recipe''s optimizer settings.'
configuration: pass
component_tests:
- test: precision-aware Adam on the GPU and CPU optimizer offload (fraction 1.0, overlapped copies), each against an
FP64 reference
shape: 'one Qwen3.5-397B-A17B MoE layer: hidden 4096, 512 experts, top-10, expert FFN 1024, EP 8, ETP 1, 4,096 tokens
per rank'
gpu: B200
date: 2026-10-14
result: pass
detail: worst tensor (update) relative L2 error 5.12e-7 on the GPU and 7.99e-7 offloaded against a bound of 1.0e-3
after one step, and 4.99e-5 and 7.73e-5 against 1.1e-3 after three steps at the recipe's hyperparameters (bound
2 x the default GPU optimizer's error + 1e-3); reconstructed FP32 masters bitwise identical to an arm with explicit
FP32 masters, the TE remainder self-test passes and the negative controls fail
note: run on B200 on this recipe's training image; the optimizer step is elementwise, so the result holds for every
model on the image
convergence:
steps: 20
result: pass
correlation: 0.9999988
final_loss_difference: 1.4e-04
pointwise_failures: 0
note: 'candidate arm: the measured run; reference arm: a 20-step run of the reference recipe on the same image and
rows; the parity probe off in both; both with patches/fla_blackwell_guard.py'
rules: argument classes of ATTUNE's skill/scripts/correctness/rules/numerics_list.yaml (amazon-science/attune f2cb450),
with CPU optimizer offload admitted by the B200 component test above; 20-step check by Megatron-Bridge
validate_convergence with its pipeline thresholds
env:
CUDA_DEVICE_MAX_CONNECTIONS: '1'
PYTORCH_CUDA_ALLOC_CONF: expandable_segments:True
TORCHINDUCTOR_COMPILE_THREADS: '1'
NCCL_NVLS_ENABLE: $([ "$NVLINK_COUNT" -gt 0 ] && echo 1 || echo 0)
patches:
- patches/fla_blackwell_guard.py
run: |
export CUDA_DEVICE_MAX_CONNECTIONS=1
export PYTORCH_CUDA_ALLOC_CONF=expandable_segments:True
export TORCHINDUCTOR_COMPILE_THREADS=1
export NCCL_NVLS_ENABLE=$([ "$NVLINK_COUNT" -gt 0 ] && echo 1 || echo 0)
python3 -m <slime entry module> --async \
--actor-num-nodes 1 \
--actor-num-gpus-per-node 8 \
${MODEL_ARGS[@]} \
--hf-checkpoint "$HF_CKPT" \
--ref-load "$TORCH_DIST" \
--rollout-function-path pretokenized_sft_rollout.generate_rollout \
--prompt-data "$SFT_DATA" \
--input-key messages \
--metadata-key metadata \
--num-rollout 20 \
--rollout-batch-size 128 \
--global-batch-size 128 \
--loss-type sft_loss \
--loss-mask-type qwen3_5 \
--calculate-per-token-loss \
--disable-compute-advantages-and-returns \
--debug-train-only \
--tensor-model-parallel-size 1 \
--pipeline-model-parallel-size 4 \
--decoder-first-pipeline-num-layers 17 \
--decoder-last-pipeline-num-layers 13 \
--context-parallel-size 1 \
--expert-model-parallel-size 1 \
--expert-tensor-parallel-size 1 \
--sequence-parallel \
--recompute-granularity full \
--recompute-method block \
--recompute-num-layers 14 \
--use-dynamic-batch-size \
--max-tokens-per-gpu 8192 \
--optimizer adam --lr 1e-5 --lr-decay-style cosine --min-lr 1e-6 \
--lr-warmup-fraction 0.1 --weight-decay 0.1 --adam-beta1 0.9 --adam-beta2 0.98 \
--use-distributed-optimizer \
--use-precision-aware-optimizer \
--attention-dropout 0.0 --hidden-dropout 0.0 \
--accumulate-allreduce-grads-in-fp32 --attention-softmax-in-fp32 \
--attention-backend flash \
--distributed-timeout-minutes 30 \
--tensorboard-dir "$PROFILE_DIR"
notes: |
- Starting point: slime's Qwen3.5-27B script, `scripts/run-qwen3.5-27B.sh` with `scripts/models/qwen3.5-27B.sh` at
slime 0.3.0. slime ships it as a 4-node GRPO script and publishes no tokens/s figure for it. Ported to this
workload on one 8-GPU node with its layout (TP 4 with sequence parallel, PP 2 with 34/30 layers, CP 1 in place of
its CP 4, full recompute, Adam on the CPU), it measured 1,411.1 tokens/s/GPU on 8 B200; ATTUNE tuned it to 4,011.4
(+184%).
- Recompute stays on: the tuning runs without it ran out of memory on the first stage at TP 4 and TP 2 with PP 2
(162.7 and 165.8 GiB allocated of 178 GiB).
- B200 runs of this model need `patches/fla_blackwell_guard.py`: with the image's Triton 3.6, FLA 0.4.1's autotuner
picks gated-delta-net kernel configs that race on Blackwell and give a different, wrong result on every call, and
the patch keeps those kernels on the configs FLA main uses there. Every training process imports it before FLA
(patches/README.md) and prints a `[fla-guard]` line.
#2attune-tp1-pp23,858.5 tokens/s/GPUTP1 PP2 DP434/30 layer split, no offload
- Starting point: slime's Qwen3.5-27B script,
scripts/run-qwen3.5-27B.shwithscripts/models/qwen3.5-27B.shat slime 0.3.0. slime ships it as a 4-node GRPO script and publishes no tokens/s figure for it. Ported to this workload on one 8-GPU node with its layout (TP 4 with sequence parallel, PP 2 with 34/30 layers, CP 1 in place of its CP 4, full recompute, Adam on the CPU), it measured 1,411.1 tokens/s/GPU on 8 B200; ATTUNE tuned it to 3,858.5 (+173%). - Recompute stays on: the tuning runs without it ran out of memory on the first stage at TP 4 and TP 2 with PP 2 (162.7 and 165.8 GiB allocated of 178 GiB).
- B200 runs of this model need
patches/fla_blackwell_guard.py: with the image's Triton 3.6, FLA 0.4.1's autotuner picks gated-delta-net kernel configs that race on Blackwell and give a different, wrong result on every call, and the patch keeps those kernels on the configs FLA main uses there. Every training process imports it before FLA (patches/README.md) and prints a[fla-guard]line.
- Author
- ATTUNE (cite)
- GPUs
- 8 x B200 180 GB (AWS p6-b200.48xlarge, 8 per node)
- Layout
- TP 1, PP 2 (34/30 layers), CP 1, DP 4; one 8,192-token row per microbatch; full recompute (uniform, 1 layer); precision-aware distributed optimizer; no offload; dense model, no experts
- Tokens/s per GPU
- 3,858.51
- $ / 1M tokens
- $1.03
- MFU
- 26.4% (N = 25,623,920,640 active parameters per token)
- Step-time CV
- 0.3%
- Convergence check
- correlation 0.9999987, final loss difference 2.9e-05, 0 pointwise failures over 20 steps
- Component test
- precision-aware Adam on the GPU and CPU optimizer offload (fraction 1.0, overlapped copies), each against an FP64 reference: B200, 2026-10-14. Shape: one Qwen3.5-397B-A17B MoE layer: hidden 4096, 512 experts, top-10, expert FFN 1024, EP 8, ETP 1, 4,096 tokens per rank. worst tensor (update) relative L2 error 5.12e-7 on the GPU and 7.99e-7 offloaded against a bound of 1.0e-3 after one step, and 4.99e-5 and 7.73e-5 against 1.1e-3 after three steps at the recipe's hyperparameters (bound 2 x the default GPU optimizer's error + 1e-3); reconstructed FP32 masters bitwise identical to an arm with explicit FP32 masters, the TE remainder self-test passes and the negative controls fail run on B200 on this recipe's training image; the optimizer step is elementwise, so the result holds for every model on the image
- Measured
- 2026-10-18
- GPU-hours
- 2.29
- Rows
qwen38-tulu3-fixed8192-v1(rows_sha256ee1486b28ce21df721ad61c2d3765c64a29eed0eb5680ede005bd6a321dc1a1e)
Stack
- framework
- slime 0.3.0: THUDM/slime a897e1f plus 8 commits that do not change the training step
- megatron lm
- commit 1dcf0daf (megatron-core 0.16.0rc0), with a backported upstream fix for the Qwen3.5 attention output gate at TP above the query-group count
- transformer engine
- 2.10.0
- pytorch
- 2.11.0 (CUDA 12.9 build)
- cuda
- 12.9
- nccl
- 2.28.9 (CUDA 12.9 build; printed by the measured run)
- deepep
- 1.2.1
- python
- 3.12.3
- fla
- 0.4.1 (flash-linear-attention)
- triton
- 3.6.0
- network
- 8 GPUs per node, EFA, 3.2 Tb/s RDMA per node
- runtime fixes
- patches/fla_blackwell_guard.py, imported in every training process before FLA
Environment
CUDA_DEVICE_MAX_CONNECTIONS=1PYTORCH_CUDA_ALLOC_CONF=expandable_segments:TrueTORCHINDUCTOR_COMPILE_THREADS=1NCCL_NVLS_ENABLE=$([ "$NVLINK_COUNT" -gt 0 ] && echo 1 || echo 0)
Patches
export CUDA_DEVICE_MAX_CONNECTIONS=1
export PYTORCH_CUDA_ALLOC_CONF=expandable_segments:True
export TORCHINDUCTOR_COMPILE_THREADS=1
export NCCL_NVLS_ENABLE=$([ "$NVLINK_COUNT" -gt 0 ] && echo 1 || echo 0)
python3 -m <slime entry module> --async \
--actor-num-nodes 1 \
--actor-num-gpus-per-node 8 \
${MODEL_ARGS[@]} \
--hf-checkpoint "$HF_CKPT" \
--ref-load "$TORCH_DIST" \
--rollout-function-path pretokenized_sft_rollout.generate_rollout \
--prompt-data "$SFT_DATA" \
--input-key messages \
--metadata-key metadata \
--num-rollout 20 \
--rollout-batch-size 128 \
--global-batch-size 128 \
--loss-type sft_loss \
--loss-mask-type qwen3_5 \
--calculate-per-token-loss \
--disable-compute-advantages-and-returns \
--debug-train-only \
--tensor-model-parallel-size 1 \
--pipeline-model-parallel-size 2 \
--decoder-last-pipeline-num-layers 30 \
--context-parallel-size 1 \
--expert-model-parallel-size 1 \
--expert-tensor-parallel-size 1 \
--sequence-parallel \
--recompute-granularity full \
--recompute-method uniform \
--recompute-num-layers 1 \
--use-dynamic-batch-size \
--max-tokens-per-gpu 8192 \
--optimizer adam --lr 1e-5 --lr-decay-style cosine --min-lr 1e-6 \
--lr-warmup-fraction 0.1 --weight-decay 0.1 --adam-beta1 0.9 --adam-beta2 0.98 \
--use-distributed-optimizer \
--use-precision-aware-optimizer \
--attention-dropout 0.0 --hidden-dropout 0.0 \
--accumulate-allreduce-grads-in-fp32 --attention-softmax-in-fp32 \
--attention-backend flash \
--distributed-timeout-minutes 30 \
--tensorboard-dir "$PROFILE_DIR"
# recipes/qwen3.8-27b/b200/attune-tp1-pp2.yaml
# An OpenRecipes recipe; the fields are documented in schema/recipe.schema.yaml.
schema_version: 1
model: Qwen3.8-27B
gpu:
type: B200
memory_gb: 180
count: 8
per_node: 8
instance: AWS p6-b200.48xlarge
author:
name: ATTUNE
url: https://arxiv.org/abs/2610.17528
status: verified
stack:
framework: 'slime 0.3.0: THUDM/slime a897e1f plus 8 commits that do not change the training step'
megatron_lm: commit 1dcf0daf (megatron-core 0.16.0rc0), with a backported upstream fix for the Qwen3.5 attention output
gate at TP above the query-group count
transformer_engine: 2.10.0
pytorch: 2.11.0 (CUDA 12.9 build)
cuda: '12.9'
nccl: 2.28.9 (CUDA 12.9 build; printed by the measured run)
deepep: 1.2.1
python: 3.12.3
fla: 0.4.1 (flash-linear-attention)
triton: 3.6.0
network: 8 GPUs per node, EFA, 3.2 Tb/s RDMA per node
runtime_fixes: patches/fla_blackwell_guard.py, imported in every training process before FLA
source: 'in-pod version check of the measured run''s training image (same digest) on 2026-10-18: installed TE,
PyTorch, DeepEP, megatron-core, FLA and Triton, Megatron-LM git commit, Python; NCCL from the measured run''s log'
workload:
row_tokens: 8192
rows: SFT conversations
global_batch: 128
precision: bf16
dataset:
name: Tulu 3 SFT mixture
source: allenai/tulu-3-sft-mixture
revision: b14afda60f1bbebe55d5d2fa1e4df5042f97f8be
license: ODC-By 1.0
rows_sha256: ee1486b28ce21df721ad61c2d3765c64a29eed0eb5680ede005bd6a321dc1a1e
build:
name: qwen38-tulu3-fixed8192-v1
tokenizer: Qwen3.8 (the Qwen3.8-27B tokenizer; tokenizer.json sha256 0997f410c57a1f4e53b09e4be8f4a172d90edd9564368fb0847030937229b9f3)
loss_mask: qwen3_5
rows: 6400
row_tokens: 8192
padding_tokens: 0
seed: 42
packing: source conversations in a seeded global permutation, concatenated with an EOS token between them and cut
into consecutive 8,192-token rows; rows without supervised targets are skipped
supervised_token_ratio: 0.642
parquet_sha256: a7b7b4db98e95152604a77bcf09b51502d2266ba04de98409cef6b97afd039c8
parquet_bytes: 76722714
builder: data/generate_fixed_sft.py (data/README.md)
layout:
label: TP1 PP2 DP4
summary: TP 1, PP 2 (34/30 layers), CP 1, DP 4; one 8,192-token row per microbatch; full recompute (uniform, 1 layer);
precision-aware distributed optimizer; no offload; dense model, no experts
highlights: 34/30 layer split, no offload
tp: 1
pp: 2
vpp: 1
cp: 1
ep: 1
etp: 1
dp: 4
sequence_parallel: false
layer_split:
first: 34
last: 30
max_tokens_per_gpu: 8192
rows_per_microbatch: 1
recompute:
granularity: full
method: uniform
num_layers: 1
offload: null
dispatcher: null
result:
tokens_per_s_per_gpu: 3858.51
usd_per_million_tokens: 1.03
step_time_cv_percent: 0.30
mfu: 0.2637
mfu_note: null
active_params:
count: 25623920640
source: https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.8-27B
revision: 1d4bf0f2ff6012fd82039f2fa52739d0dd7c60c0
measured: 2026-10-18
steps_per_run: 20
window:
- 5
- 19
window_tokens: 15728640
runs: 1
profiler: false
gpu_hours: 2.29
gpu_hours_note: GPUs x (scheduler admission to finish), including startup; the same run is the candidate arm of the
convergence check
correctness:
result: pass
summary: passed; 1 component test passed on this image
reference: 'The layout of slime''s `scripts/run-qwen3.5-27B.sh` on one 8-GPU node: TP 4 with sequence parallelism, PP
2 (first stage 34 layers, last 30), CP 1 in place of its CP 4, full recompute and CPU optimizer offload, with this
recipe''s optimizer settings.'
configuration: pass
component_tests:
- test: precision-aware Adam on the GPU and CPU optimizer offload (fraction 1.0, overlapped copies), each against an
FP64 reference
shape: 'one Qwen3.5-397B-A17B MoE layer: hidden 4096, 512 experts, top-10, expert FFN 1024, EP 8, ETP 1, 4,096 tokens
per rank'
gpu: B200
date: 2026-10-14
result: pass
detail: worst tensor (update) relative L2 error 5.12e-7 on the GPU and 7.99e-7 offloaded against a bound of 1.0e-3
after one step, and 4.99e-5 and 7.73e-5 against 1.1e-3 after three steps at the recipe's hyperparameters (bound
2 x the default GPU optimizer's error + 1e-3); reconstructed FP32 masters bitwise identical to an arm with explicit
FP32 masters, the TE remainder self-test passes and the negative controls fail
note: run on B200 on this recipe's training image; the optimizer step is elementwise, so the result holds for every
model on the image
convergence:
steps: 20
result: pass
correlation: 0.9999987
final_loss_difference: 2.9e-05
pointwise_failures: 0
note: 'candidate arm: the measured run; reference arm: a 20-step run of the reference recipe on the same image and
rows; the parity probe off in both; both with patches/fla_blackwell_guard.py'
rules: argument classes of ATTUNE's skill/scripts/correctness/rules/numerics_list.yaml (amazon-science/attune f2cb450),
with CPU optimizer offload admitted by the B200 component test above; 20-step check by Megatron-Bridge
validate_convergence with its pipeline thresholds
env:
CUDA_DEVICE_MAX_CONNECTIONS: '1'
PYTORCH_CUDA_ALLOC_CONF: expandable_segments:True
TORCHINDUCTOR_COMPILE_THREADS: '1'
NCCL_NVLS_ENABLE: $([ "$NVLINK_COUNT" -gt 0 ] && echo 1 || echo 0)
patches:
- patches/fla_blackwell_guard.py
run: |
export CUDA_DEVICE_MAX_CONNECTIONS=1
export PYTORCH_CUDA_ALLOC_CONF=expandable_segments:True
export TORCHINDUCTOR_COMPILE_THREADS=1
export NCCL_NVLS_ENABLE=$([ "$NVLINK_COUNT" -gt 0 ] && echo 1 || echo 0)
python3 -m <slime entry module> --async \
--actor-num-nodes 1 \
--actor-num-gpus-per-node 8 \
${MODEL_ARGS[@]} \
--hf-checkpoint "$HF_CKPT" \
--ref-load "$TORCH_DIST" \
--rollout-function-path pretokenized_sft_rollout.generate_rollout \
--prompt-data "$SFT_DATA" \
--input-key messages \
--metadata-key metadata \
--num-rollout 20 \
--rollout-batch-size 128 \
--global-batch-size 128 \
--loss-type sft_loss \
--loss-mask-type qwen3_5 \
--calculate-per-token-loss \
--disable-compute-advantages-and-returns \
--debug-train-only \
--tensor-model-parallel-size 1 \
--pipeline-model-parallel-size 2 \
--decoder-last-pipeline-num-layers 30 \
--context-parallel-size 1 \
--expert-model-parallel-size 1 \
--expert-tensor-parallel-size 1 \
--sequence-parallel \
--recompute-granularity full \
--recompute-method uniform \
--recompute-num-layers 1 \
--use-dynamic-batch-size \
--max-tokens-per-gpu 8192 \
--optimizer adam --lr 1e-5 --lr-decay-style cosine --min-lr 1e-6 \
--lr-warmup-fraction 0.1 --weight-decay 0.1 --adam-beta1 0.9 --adam-beta2 0.98 \
--use-distributed-optimizer \
--use-precision-aware-optimizer \
--attention-dropout 0.0 --hidden-dropout 0.0 \
--accumulate-allreduce-grads-in-fp32 --attention-softmax-in-fp32 \
--attention-backend flash \
--distributed-timeout-minutes 30 \
--tensorboard-dir "$PROFILE_DIR"
notes: |
- Starting point: slime's Qwen3.5-27B script, `scripts/run-qwen3.5-27B.sh` with `scripts/models/qwen3.5-27B.sh` at
slime 0.3.0. slime ships it as a 4-node GRPO script and publishes no tokens/s figure for it. Ported to this
workload on one 8-GPU node with its layout (TP 4 with sequence parallel, PP 2 with 34/30 layers, CP 1 in place of
its CP 4, full recompute, Adam on the CPU), it measured 1,411.1 tokens/s/GPU on 8 B200; ATTUNE tuned it to 3,858.5
(+173%).
- Recompute stays on: the tuning runs without it ran out of memory on the first stage at TP 4 and TP 2 with PP 2
(162.7 and 165.8 GiB allocated of 178 GiB).
- B200 runs of this model need `patches/fla_blackwell_guard.py`: with the image's Triton 3.6, FLA 0.4.1's autotuner
picks gated-delta-net kernel configs that race on Blackwell and give a different, wrong result on every call, and
the patch keeps those kernels on the configs FLA main uses there. Every training process imports it before FLA
(patches/README.md) and prints a `[fla-guard]` line.
Citation
If you use a recipe by ATTUNE, please cite the paper.
@article{fan2026attune,
title = {{ATTUNE: Agentic Throughput Tuning for LLM Training}},
author = {Leo Fan and Hongyang Wang and Wenbo Chen and Jingguo Liu and Xian Li and Xuan Wang and
Ruochen Wen and Yiming Yan and Hao Wu and Zheshen Wang and Benoit Dumoulin},
journal = {arXiv preprint arXiv:2610.17528},
year = {2026},
url = {https://arxiv.org/abs/2610.17528}
}
Qwen3.8-27B on other GPUs
H100 · 8 GPUs
1,480.4
tokens/s/GPU · $1.29 / 1M tokens
H200 · 8 GPUs
1,194.3
tokens/s/GPU · $1.84 / 1M tokens
B200 · 8 GPUs · this page
4,011.4
tokens/s/GPU · $0.99 / 1M tokens